WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. He wasn't positive. Is that how youwould describe it? He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L."
wrote in message. Is that how youwould describe it? How? But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? <<<<<<<<. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. I found them both disappointing. (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? Even Ziegler only uses that wordin reference to his own earlier party, while referring to the Somertonrituals always more elusively: "I was there, at the House", "what ifwhat happened was a fake, a charade", etc, but no mention of any'party' at Somerton. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." No comments. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. ", wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. >>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>>wearing> masks? Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. And the Somerton ritual is alsoambiguous; how, or rather why, for instance, does the masked womanupon first meeting the masked Bill, assert with such certainty that"You shouldn't be here", then followed by repeated warnings that hiscontinued presence at the ritual will get him in trouble? > <<<<<<< after> visiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanation> indicated. Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." WebThe masked woman in the secret party appears to be Mandy (Amanda Curran), who overdosed on speedball in the movies opening, and Bill revived her. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. Statanic mass? WebIn Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy: Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. WebSynopsis. :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. Same voice. WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. Take another listen. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? 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