Since I didnt have one handy, I shot the rifle as is. Honestly I couldn't read all of this, but what I did seems like a lot of operator error. At Aberdeen, the army figured a max effective range of 656 yards for these guns because that was the range at which bullets began to wobble a bit due to lack of stability. So the guns did okay and shot pretty close to what Springfield reported with the addition of optics. Couldn't pass it up at that price and .458 SOCOM is legal for Indiana deer so it was an easy decision. Back in January, I did something I have wanted to do for a long time. I bought a brand new, unused first run RRA .458 SOCOM upper for $600. Once you grown used to 5.56 caliber rifles, you forget how much fun a full-powered rifle with a battle rifle or larger caliber can be. Especially since it left their factory with defects. Again, obviously much better than the results that we were getting in the two different times we shot the guns previously. I found I shoot it best while prone. I have to say I absolutely love my M1A Scout. As far as quick target acquisition, it doesnt get much faster. The leading brilliant minds of the time legitimately saw a future in which the M14 would replace the M3 grease gun and Thompson submachine guns, the BAR as a squad automatic weapon, the Springfield 1903 as a marksman rifle, and the M1 Garand and M1 carbine a total overhaul of the ammunition and parts needed to keep a squad well supplied and operational. One thing I really like about the safety on the m14/M1A is that if you forget that the safety is on and put your finger on the trigger (which of course should only be done if youre about to fire) your knuckle will hit the safety inside the trigger guard as an instant reminder that the gun is in fact NOT ready to fire. I have a M1A Loaded that I bought used. Purchased a bayonet w/scabbard at a local gun show. If somebody wants a 308 battle rifle I always recommend just go buy a AR 10 and be done with it. Have adequate ventilation at all times. Was the M14 a failure? Caldwell Lead Sled at 100 Yards! This is one of the key reasons why the Army was unable to accurize these weapons effectively. A good Tam sling worked well in this aspect. I witnessed a live-fire demonstration of this load fired into calibrated 10 percent ballistic gelatin. Children are attracted to and can operate firearms that can cause severe injuries or death. The G3 and FAL better battle rifles? Preferably, almost necessarily straight back. Weve built dozens of ARs and well cover all the best AR-15 upgrades such as handguards, triggers, BCGs, gas blocks, and more. Not wanting to publish a pretty damning review on 8 MOA guns, we wondered if there might be something wrong with the rifles themselves. Was the M14 a failure? M1A SOCOM 16 Options Best Red Dot for M1A. Shooting iron sights I had no issues getting tight shot groups at both 100 and 200 yards. With practice, reloads can be just as fast as AR..one thing I would like to mention, when I went through Marine Corps boot camp and infantry school, we were doing reloads with the shooting hand, and not the offhand. The Springfield Armory M1A SOCOM 16 CQB, paired with excellent optics like the Leupold or Aimpoint, some quality ammo and a durable drag bag, makes for a combination thats hard to beat. Nothing to do with what wounds are caused at that range, the assumption is if Even a little wonky compared to my Smith & Wesson M&P 15, but shooting it is a hell of a lot more fun! Springfield Armory Gen 4 M1A Optics Mount. Why, with an ensuing internet argument, of course! This rifle actually likes to fire dirty, whereas you can't really say the same for an AR. These rifles can be very accurate if you're willing to invest the time & $$. Product prices mentioned in articles and videos are current as of the date of publication. The SAINT offers upgraded features where they matter most. Even with no magnification, author shot groups of about two inches. Forged in the fire of disciplined craftsmanship. It produced a best single group of 1.86" with an average of 1.99". This is not a AR 10 ( I own a Sig 716 Patrol 1st Gen), I wonder if the difference was that you were using .308 instead of the 7.62 NATO round that the rifle was made to use.I wouldn't use .223 in my AR 15 that is chambered to use 5.56 just because, We thought that as well, but the M1A barrels themselves have ".308" stamped into them . I have a vortex viper hst 6-24 mounted on mine and consistently hit 1000 yards (10 inch plate) I can easily put 4 rounds in under an inch at 100 yards and I am by no means an expert shot. And while the M14 may have left service as the primary rifle for the U.S. military relatively quickly, the spirit of the design has lived on with the M1A, introduced by Geneseo, Illinois Springfield Armory in 1974 and it was an immediate hit. I had the same problems with the thing and could not keep rounds on paper. Admittedly, we are not marksmen, and while we all have a good amount of long-range shooting experience, our inability to hit relatively close targets with these guns seemed pretty damn wild. and measures 37.25 in overall length. Combine that with shooting something new, I think the conclusions draw themselves. The National Match came in at 1.25 MOA with a Vortex 4-16x optic, and the SOC16 shot 2MOA with a Vortex 1-6 both at 100 yards. Re: AR15 16" maximum effective range A 16" AR can get you to 1K with a 1:8 or 1:7 twist barrel with the 75+ grain bullets (maybe 68 grain BTHP). So much to say so little time As a (albeit also somewhat clunky and antiquated) Marine who clambered up, down and side-wise on the hills of the Central Highlands during what you so eloquently described as that "online shit-flinging fest" (I liked that!) The M1A, obviously a civilian variant of the iconic M14, fits squarely in that niche you can check our full video over on our YouTube Channel! A traditional M1A, loaded with all the features you want to take your rifle to the next level. 's and Army S.F. After the Marines, I sold my 'Super Match' equivalent that was hand built by a former USMC Armorer back in California (like in 1990). I have both M1A Scout (nothing fancy) and a S/W AR-10 both are fed Hornandy 164 gr bt Amax. WebThe Springfield Armory M1A is a semi-automatic rifle made by Springfield Armory, Inc., beginning in 1971, based on the M14 rifle, for the civilian and law enforcement markets in the United States. Further, I learned to shoot the weapon not whine about it. The views I love these rifles they are true battle rifles don't get me wrong i own two AR'15's one in .223 and the other in 6.8 which if going into combat the 6.8 is the shit by a long shoot, for it's recoil and it's stopping power (80% stopping power of a .308 round in such a small package). The results you were getting were similar to mine, but a bit worse. I grew up shooting M1's. Voodoo Tactical makes a variety of outstanding tactical gear, including an excellent backpack/range bag/ drag bag. He was the Chief Gunsmith for a classified DOD facility performing R&D small arms work for U.S. Special Operations for over ten years. What made this one stand out was that you could tell that they didnt want to make a negative review of such an iconic gun. you a link to reset your password. He resides in southeast Nebraska with his two children. But I think the gun gets a bad rap it doesn't deserve. Considering that you have folks claiming that these are sub MOA guns at 1,000 yards with irons on one side of the debate, and uhhhhh some nerd that wont shutup about how the US should have adopted the FAL over the M14 on the other. Even with no magnification, author shot groups of about two inches. I dont like the socom version, Just the match M1A and of course, the super match M1A. | Make Sure Its Not You, RURAL LAW-ENFORCEMENT SNIPERS | Same Mission, Different Challenges, IWI Tavor SAR Israels Proven Warrior Hits U.S. Market, SHOTGUN MODIFICATIONS | From Good to Great. I think now what Im seeing is more like an average typical Springfield m1a. TURN IN YOUR MAN CARD AND GET CUT!! Editors Note: Please be sure to check out The Armory Life Forum, where you can comment about our daily articles, as well as just talk guns and gear. But over all it's one of the friendliest and most accurate out of the box guns I've ever had. The iron sights consist of a winged XS Sight Systems .125" blade with a Trijicon tritium insert in front and a fully adjustable .135" ghost-ring aperture in back. If there is ANY concentricity variance in the round you will have a flier on your hands. We should note though that youll likely want to invest in a cheek riser if you wind up using an optic on these rifles, as they tend to sit quite high above the bore. I looked at buying a M1A. With both the Leupold and the Aimpoint, fir- ing off the bench produced pretty good groups of 312 to four inches with the Black Hills and Hornady ammo. I also love the fact that the M1A is much less finicky with maintenance. The rifle may be different, but to act as if it is some sort of antique is laughable. Do we not understand the point of aim with M14 irons? The only thing I agree is backwards about the rifle is the exposed rod which can catch on things and cause malfunctions, and forces you to be careful where you hold the weapon. have shot 98/100 in NRA Match prone with it. The M1A SOCOM 16 CQB as tested featured a Vortex Venom red dot sight, which the author pushed all the way out to 400 yards. I assembled/built an AR-10 in 7.62 X 51 cal. It was a semi-auto and had no full auto switch on it. The M16As effective range is only about 400 yards. Nothing but problems; all encompassing what you guys experienced, and then the bolt froze into place, and I had to send it to them. Accuracy? Sorry to break the bad news to you but it is not the rifle. I own a Springfield National Match M1A with a Krieger barrel which I have used in NRA competition for about 12 years. Suffice to say she can be very accurate when she's treated as she demands. However, with a few adjustments to the rifle's configuration, it becomes a potent close-quarters combat platform. The M1A SOCOM 16 CQB starts with a 16.25-inch, carbon-steel barrel with six-groove, 1-in-11-inch-twist rifling and a Parkerized finish. WebThe .458 SOCOM achieves optimum ballistic performance in barrel lengths shorter than 16 so there is no need for longer, less portable barrels. I believe you approached the test with bias against the rifle and then set about to prove the bias. That's what my doctor told me once when he didn't have a clue. Multiple intensity settings include off, four nightvision compatible settings and eight daylight settings, one of which is for extra-bright sunlight conditions. Still I qualified good with it. Had a SVT40 that shot well also. Not long ago I spent some quality time on the range with Springfield's long-range Loaded M1A target model. Just sayin'. I do not waste my time going for groups with 40+ year old Spanish surplus ammo. M1A SOCOM 16 Options Best Red Dot for M1A. From cold to warm it seems to move a bit. Don't care. .308 WIN MSRP $2,087 - $2,540 M1A Scout Squad Rifles Combining the legendary power and accuracy of the M1A with the quick handling and fast sight acquisition of a scout style rifle. I secured two units for this evaluation one from Blackhawk and one from Voodoo Tactical. I have the Scout Squad, which is a hybrid of the socom and standard. Im not saying you dont know how to shoot, I am saying ARs are the most forgiving platform, having been designed by an aero space engineer and all, they have great ergonomics and manage more recoil themselves than any other system to date. which was 94 percent of list velocity. I felt I was able to get quick follow-up shots from a standing or benched position. And my Springfield M1A was their field grade Not match anything with a chrome lined barrel.. Also I am an old timer too. Their approach was bias. Benching it at 100 yards, I was able to get 2 to 3 MOA groups using PPU M80 FMJ BT 145-gr. Sierra has their 175gr. The Aimpoint Micro T-2 features front and rear flip-up covers. Since I was a member of the Units Pistol Team, I was able to attend the course during the off-season. 9 oz. From all of my reading and talking to various folks over the years, one of the primary requirements for the M-16 platform back in the early 60's was the ability to swap out parts between rifles. .308 WIN MSRP $1,942 - $2,087 Some might use the terms M1A and M14 interchangeably, but the M14 is the original military version while the M1A is the semi-auto civilian version of the M14. The SOCOM 16 put three shots into about two inches, with the other two shots opening the group up to about ten inches using the Hornady Steel Match ammo. I know their Croatian made guns are phenomenal however like the XD series. The course of fire was very well set up and ranges were fairly short, around 175 yards, since this course was primarily for law enforcement. WebThe SOCOM 16 put three shots into about two inches, with the other two shots opening the group up to about ten inches using the Hornady Steel Match ammo. Their customer service was excellent, but I still have my doubts about the rifle. For example, the SOCOM's barrel has been shortened to 16.25 inches, the minimum length allowed under federal law. The 1X, non-magnifying optic has a dot size at a very useful 2 MOA, and battery life is an incredible 50,000 hours. I'm no great shot, but my M1A loaded regularly gets 3 shot groups from 100 yards, off bags, where all 3 rounds touch a quarter, with irons. Because there are so many general purpose and specialized target shooting loads to choose from, it's a good idea to look for those cartridges with performance qualities suited to close-quarters conditions. But, would punch threw anything, had great range and did incredible damage when it hit. You'll now receive newsletters of our best articles on techniques, Its best single group was 2.05" with an average of 2.18". It passed its bench checks with flying colors and went on to perform admirably at the shooting range. Loaded with features from top to bottom, the XD-S Mod.2 is a slim single stack pistol perfect for concealed carry. I ran the SOCOM 16 CQB through its paces with a variety of ammunition, including 155-grain Hornady Steel Match, Black Hills 168-grain, and 175-grain ABM tactical ammunition. The guy I bought it from simply said he "couldn't get with it" and he was going back to his schmidt-rubin to shoot steel. Caldwell Lead Sled at 100 Yards! Leupold VX-III 2.5x8x36mm scope is a great choice for shooting rifle at extended ranges. Fast forward to our next shoot day! gun around in the first place, then recoil is not going to be an issue. These ( It even voids the factory warranty). We were the first training regiment at Wood to be issued the M14 and I have fond memories of that rifle. & Delta. Which was enough for me, Im not gonna buy a rifle at that price that has a 1:5 good:bad honest review ratio. WebThe SOCOM 16 put three shots into about two inches, with the other two shots opening the group up to about ten inches using the Hornady Steel Match ammo. Also, as designed by the military the gas system was only designed to handle 147 grain projectile with fast burning powders.. (, We noticed that you have previously logged in with your, Check what do you get by creating an account, Bookmark and compare your favorite firearms, Springfield M1A Review: SOCOM 16 & National Match. The course lasted a week and included night firing with what was then state of the art in night visionthe AN/PVS-2. This article and the YouTube video were perplexing. The gun arrived with a 10-round steel magazine that rocks into place much like that of an AK-47. Premier components for quick-handling, improved accuracy, and performance comparable to custom AR builds costing much more. Smith & Wesson's new M&P FPC is a compact, folding pistol-caliber carbine chambered in 9 mm Luger and designed to accept the company's M&P handgun magazines. The action and barrel are geared for 168 gn bullets travelling at 2750- 2850fps. Fast forward a bit past a lot of bureaucracy and a point where the US almost adopted the FN FAL, and finally we have NATOs adoption of the 7.62x51mm cartridge as its official battle rifle round and with it, the US adopted the M14 in the late 50s. WebIn my opinion, 200 yards is this rifle's practical hunting range. I've had an M1A for about 11 years now and had zero problems with achieving acceptable levels of accuracy that are comparable to other rifles that I own. Certainly seems to be the case - though some folks still swear they're getting crazy good groupings with the M1A. While they were alarmed at our results, they offered to bring the guns back and test them at their facilities to ensure we didnt get flawed rifles for whatever reason. The Leupold scope features a one- inch tube made from 6061-T6 aluminum, with 14 MOA finger click adjustments, fast-focus eyepiece, and 15 inches of eye relief. The SOC16 is obviously a bit more compact and includes a 16 barrel in a black polymer stock with the iconic SOC16 muzzle brake upfront. I had both the Scout and the Socom 16, and I liked the Scout better, so I kept it. We took these guns out to the desert to ring some 200-yard steel, and in all honestythe results were not fantastic. The civilian market in High-Power competition only saw M1A's on the firing line, standard or highly accurized, through the late 1990's. Designed specifically for the 9mm cartridge, the EMP features shorter dimensions making it one of the smallest 1911s out there. The gun also has a scout style picatinny mount just forward of the action, allowing for the addition of red dots or scout scopes if thats your jam. I was sick of that heavy thing. As students of the gun we have to be competent with anything we pick up off the ground. Also had a 1911 from them where the front sight fell right off as I was shooting and the finish so thin it rusted in my leather holster. I own an ex military Winchester made M14 and like everyone else pretty well has commented its a very accurate rifle. Weve got a dedicated section for the AR-15 here. I know the debate about whether it's ok to use both in a rifle chambered for one or the other, but the fact that these are both 7.62 tells me you should use that if you're testing accuracy. Even if someone is a decent shot, it takes time to adapt to a different weapon both individually and model wise. They also sent the targets they used and were signed by the repair technician. Wow. Muzzle brake on SOCOM 16 CQB is very effective, and shorter barrel makes for some serious muzzle blast. No matter how you slice it, the M1A is a big gun and Springfield isn't going to monkey with a proven system by experimenting with lightweight alloys. How neat is that!?!?! Was the M14 a failure? with the 'traditional' profile stocks, as in this review. Probably an anomaly in your case . I've been shooting M1A's since the early 90's. I was on a sub so we had to know the .45, .12 gage and M1A. How M-1A's equate to the real thing I have no idea. The Vortex Venom is more than adequate for 50 to 200 yards, and even did 300 yard shots with acceptable accuracy. Popular 9mm Ammo. Sure, people can hit targets further than this, but its uncommon, to say the least. The M1A SOCOM 16 CQB starts with a 16.25-inch, carbon-steel barrel with six-groove, 1-in-11-inch-twist rifling and a Parkerized finish. You had to be a torpedoman to play with full auto-anything. WebThe SOCOM 16 weighs 8.8 lbs, unloaded. WebThe Sportsman's Shop 7.47K subscribers In this video we take a close look into the Springfield Armory M1A SOCOM 16 Rifle! I originally shot it using an ammo box with a piece of carpet for a front rest. These chemicals can be in the products that Californians purchase, in their homes or workplaces, or that are released into the environment. - YouTube 0:00 / 9:27 Springfield Armory M1A SOCOM 16 Accuracy Test. For a result of 3.29 MOA A black composite stock provides interface with an enlarged ghost ring aperture rear sight and XS Sights tritium front post, giving you quick target acquisition. Most of the stuff I did was learned from Youtube videos and the M14 Forum online. Proposition 65 also prohibits California businesses from knowingly discharging significant amounts of listed chemicals into sources of drinking water. Next you can put a tactical 1913 rail made by Troy it is the length of the hand guard too the rear sights ($200.00). Even the lightest .458 SOCOM round is more than three times heavier than the M855 round. This review is not catching the heat I expected. parts until Springfield Armory, Inc. began Very surprised by your experience with the platform. Rifle has a Burris 2x pistol scope . All right, you have my attention! In our opinion the .458 SOCOM has several design and performance advantages over the.450 Bushmaster and the .500 Beowulf including improved functional reliability and the use of a standard AR magazine. Trained with an m14 in the Corps in '68..I can tell you that to obtain consistant groups requires proper sight alignment, sight picture, and a proper grip, and consistant weld. On first glance, the SOCOM 16 CQBs most noticeable feature is its 16-inch barrel. Strictly Necessary Cookie should be enabled at all times so that we can save your preferences for cookie settings. certified instructor prior to handling any firearm and be sure to read your owners manual. I felt I was able to get quick follow-up shots from a standing or benched position. It is exactly where it needs to be. The .458 SOCOM treads hard on its heels, but with a flatter (albeit still arcing) trajectory. Muzzle velocity for this test was a zippy 2969 fps., or 104 percent of list velocity. I packed an m 14 for two years while stationed in Germany, and I was a combat medic. Steve Sieberts has over 40 years in the firearms field. Standard defensive pistol calibers like 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP excel in the 0- to 25-yard range with a rough effective range of 50-yards or so. Caution You risk injury or death by mishandling firearms. The SOCOM 16 is most certainly an effective weapon, but its also a fun weapon. I did enjoy the review on the M1A and this little short-barreled partner. They were all accuracy problems, every stinking one. range ammo. Lead Ammunition Discharging firearms in poorly ventilated areas, cleaning firearms, or handling ammunition may result in exposure to lead, a chemical known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm. We'll send you the latest guides and training tips geared For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov. He references head position. My loaded M1a shoots sub MOA @ 100 yards & has since 1998 when I purchased it. With the Vortex optics mounted we were now shooting about 1.5MOA out of the National Match, and ~2 MOA out of the SOC 16 using 168gr Gold Medal Match ammo. Is it really us? | Edged Weapons Self-Defense, WHOS OUT OF THE FIGHT? A S/W AR-10 both are fed Hornandy 164 gr bt Amax caution you risk injury or death FMJ... 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