Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, is your testimony then that even though. Mr. WILCOTT - Not specifically, only generally. Three of the seven boxes appear in a photograph in his book. Mr. WILCOTT - Did you vote for President Kennedy? Mr. DODD - In. We appreciate that, and if at, any time you think of any further way in which your testimony can be corroborated or the name of any other CIA man or any record or anything of that sort that might be available we hope you will get in touch with us and let us know about it. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And how did that come to your attention: She said that there is a whole lot more to tell about the TSBD than what has been publishedthat the whole building should be suspected as more or less of a safe base to operate from that day in November 1963.[9]. The John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Espaol Fall 2017, Vol. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What were these people's names? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I did. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Is that list complete and does it have. Mr. WILCOTT - Not publicly. Mr. DODD - When did you leave to go back? I found it very, very difficult to talk about these things that I think ought to be talked about, very difficult. JFK FILES - The Roscoe White Story: -Grassy Knoll Assassin Or Hoax? Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many people in the CIA? I do. Try again. Anyone e1se? Had the seemingly insignificant trail of bread crumbs I stumbled across had not been so he avidly guarded, I might never have given it a second thought. Upon exiting the elevator, he saw a short hallway. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Upon your memory and the list that your brought with you today, will you tell the Committee the names of the CIA Case Officers who you remember working XXXXXXXXXX in 1963? But I was intrigued -- and it may have been in the transcription but you were in XXXXX as financial disbursement officer -- is it your testimony that you were told by a case officer that you had disbursed funds for an Oswald project? Why this information would.come out to a CIA station XXXXXXX rather than some other part of the world is, I assume, because Oswald was trained in Japan, according to your belief. as members of the F.B.I., approached the two new employees at work & took them to an empty room inside the building. In this area were numerous cardboard boxes, four feet square by five feet high. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. During a phone conversation, he told me that he had a letter that mentioned Shelley joining the CIA. All I remember is that her husband was previously a member of the musical group The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. She didnt show up for work the next day and didnt pick up her final paycheck. suspicious that many of the other things that happened may have had as its source the CIA. Below is an excerpt from Harriss letter dated December 15, 1992: Enclosed is the Bill Shelley document I read to you over the phone. This fear casting a shadow over the lives of former employees was also directed against journalists seeking to lift the veil of secrecy. Mr. WILCOTT - That is correct. (Their previous address was 501 Elm Street on the first floor of the Dal-Tex building.). Mr. Wilcott. DL 100-10461. Jerry Fox, SR Branch, Soviet Russia Branch -- Considering the noise of gun blasts and the uproar going on outside, it is odd that Oswald continued to be unconcerned. Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your knowledge, would any records at CIA Headquarters document that Oswald was a CIA agent? Mr. CORNWELL - It was not normally part of your duties or the scope of the knowledge that you routinely acquired on your job, as I understand it, for you to know what the cryptonyms meant; is that correct? Mr. WILCOTT - I have been trying to talk about this thing and other things for the last ten years. Mr. GOLDSMITH - When was the first time that you alleged in public that Oswald was a CIA agent. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I believed it to be a little more than speculation, that the source at least of this kind of talk was, I believe, to be something more serious than speculation. Read instantly on your browser with Kindle for Web. There was a lot of excitement going on at the station after the Kennedy assassination. Mr. CORNWELL - Did you -- at the time you made the decision to discuss outside of the Agency this matter, did you focus on the secrecy oath problem? Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. Mr. WILCOTT - Certainly, from May of 1957 to January of 1960, I was in the pre-fab building on the Potomac in finance. Earlier that year, he graduated from Crozier Technical School in Dallas. I have no further questions. The 1960 directory lists him as a department manager for the Texas School Book Depository, living in a house at 126 Tatum Avenue. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember where this conversation took place? I have entered other webs, but this one is different because the spider leaves the web and stalks its preysometimes for many years. Mr. SAWYER - How long were you associated with that? Mr. CORNWELL - But your testimony or your statements on the subject hadn't been made a matter of publicity on any other occasion? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, actually even prior to the Kennedy, assassination, my wife and I both became disturbed about the stories that we kept hearing about things, control of newspapers and so on. However, if you received this information two or three months after the assassination, at a time that Oswald was already dead and had been dead for two or three months, what purpose would have been served by checking records that were only 30 days old? Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, you first came across this, information in November of 1963, is that correct? Mr. DODD - As a point of information, are people who work within the Agency fairly careful in their language in describing what the category of certain people are who work for the Agency? Mr. DODD - Talking about hours afterwards or a day afterwards? Copyright 2016-2022 by kennedysandking.com All Rights Reserved. The day after their disappearance, an estimated 20 Dallas policemen pulled up on front of my apartment. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. I remember hearing about some CIA people who had somehow helped the right-wing Minute Men in Texas to get arms, originally intended for the invasion. Among the Dallas individuals and companies engaged in supplying arms to Cuban exiles and the Minute Men might have been the ones occupying the building at 411 Elm Street. Well, they would go through the files and take out anything that they thought was, say, indicative of how this flap occurred and change the files. It was a guard-type function at the station, which I worked for overtime. (Its address, I later learned, was 11310 Gemini Lane.) These ebooks can only be redeemed by recipients in the US. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, it has been difficult because people don't want to get involved, and people were scared. Mr. CORNWELL - Why did you leave the CIA? Why would men who had just shown their FBI identification badges suspect that new employees were concealing the fact that they too were connected to an intelligence agency? From April of 1965 to April of 1966, I was at Miami Station in finance, and I was handling the staff payroll. Do you follow the question? Mr. WILCOTT - No, I don't. Governor John Connally and his wife, Nellie, sat in front of them. Mr. WILCOTT - It is a little bit east of Oakland, California. Occupation of the building during the summer of 1963 could be a first step in a planning stage. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why would anyone have shared this particular information with you? Mr. WILCOTT - To the best of my recollection, yes. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. You may have noticed that at the end of my letter to Alternative Views I carbon-copied to my will. It was intended as a jab at myself lest I get too full of myself rereading it 50 years from now. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. The mayor, Mr. Sawyer, was Dominic Casaro. Please try again. When I got to the phone, two of the lines were lit up. Mr. PREYER - It had no relation to your performance? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Very generally now, what were your responsibilities as a finance employee with the agency? Mr. SAWYER - Were there any other instances of harassment? What it was is hard to guess. Mr. WILCOTT - That is right. Mr. GOLDSMITH - If the agency, in fact, was run on the "need-to-know" basis, how would you account for so many people supposedly knowing that Oswald was an agent? GLAZE, Elzie Dean Age 66, is celebrated by his family for his compassion, humor and willingness to help family, friends and the world at large. Like Frazier, who was eating lunch in the basement, Oswald went to the first-floor lunchroom to eat his lunch. So, when the Case Officer made reference to a cryptonym, you didn't know whether the cryptonym referred to Oswald specifically or to a project in which Oswald had been involved is that correct? He was still living on Tatum Avenue at the time of the assassination. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have anything to add in response to that question? SILENCED! Mr. WILCOTT - I don't know. The building is a large, one-story, concrete tilt-up, ideal for storing and moving huge quantities of material goods with forklifts and palettes. He stated that he left work because, in his opinion, based upon remarks of BILL SHELLEY, he did not believe that there was going to be any more work that day due to the confusion in the building. Mr. SCHAAP - Excuse me. Mr. WILCOTT - The response was, among quote a few people "Oh, well, I am sure he was." Reminder warnings were given on an individual or a small group basis. Strange Deaths Of People Who Knew Too Much About The JFK Assassination: 92 Witnesses, Researchers, CIA Agents, Police Officers, Reporters, Girlfriends Who Just Knew Way Too Much! Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. For in Barry Ernests book, The Girl on the Stairs, the reader will read that both Vickie Adams and Sandy Styles told Barry that they did not see either Shelly or Lovelady when they descended from the fourth floor to the first. It was an infantry replacement center as well as a German POW camp. According to one of the FBI reports of the first interrogation of Oswald in the Dallas homicide office: OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. All that I knowand the attending dead endswere passed along to a researcher and author in Dallas a few years ago. This is an indication that the covert side of the schoolbook business had shifted to the Scott Foresman and Southwestern building, perhaps because the notoriety of the TSBD had hampered its ability to conduct smuggling operations and thus had to be discontinued. Mr. GOLDSMITH - At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you learn the name of Oswald's Case Offficer at the CIA? There was talk about it going on at the station, and several months following at the station. In 1984, they began sending tapes of their programs to public access channels in Dallas and San Antonio and then to other cities around the country, hence the name of the umbrella organization, the Alternative Information Network. Mr. WILCOTT - They never revealed that to me, sir, as far as their relations with Oswald. Mine was a happenstance meeting and short, casual friendship with a man who appeared to have fallen through the cracks. He passed away on November 15, 2019, after a fall causing brain injury. Mr. SAWYER - Was he in Utica? He directed me to another man nearer the door, who pointed to an office. Mr. WILCOTT - It was a book that I had. Mr. WILCOTT - On two other occasions, I was on KPOO Radio in San Francisco and I discussed in detail, in quite a bit of detail, the speculations and also the incident of the case officer contacting me at the window. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And for purposes of clarification, now, if Oswald was already dead at the time that you went to this book, why did you go back to examine the book? Mr. GOLDSMITH - And who made these references to Oswald being an agent of the CIA? Since the CIA has the capability of engineering car crashes to look like accidents, Harriss name should be added to the list of mysterious deaths, along with Warren Commission witness Lee Bowers, who died when his car ran off the road and ran into a freeway abutment. Elzie Dean Glaze passed away on November 15, 2019. The band started out in 1966 in Long Beach, California, and became known for its unique blend of country western and rock and roll. She said that no one by the name of Glaze was currently working for the newspaper, nor was that name among the files of past employees.